tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23758043.post2880069217748417482..comments2008-03-17T07:22:34.153-05:00Derek Vreelandhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06278564226756132082noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23758043.post-34674136944291624872008-03-17T07:22:00.000-05:002008-03-17T07:22:00.000-05:00Moltmann has been a positive contributor to charismatic theology. His book The Source of Life, has been recommended to me as a good work on the Holy Spirit. I have read some of his stuff on the atonement. The Trinity and the Kingdom is the book by Moltmann that is on my list to read ONE DAY. This is his dense work on the Trinity. <BR/><BR/>Moltmann came to Christ while in a Scottish POW camp during WWII. I would assume that is biography would be a good read. <BR/><BR/>Here are some notes from the lecture he gave:<BR/>He was lecturing on Science and Theology –<BR/><BR/>“Do we understand what we know?” – His opening and closing line<BR/><BR/>“Mere collections of data is not knowledge. We must know the meaning of the data.”<BR/><BR/>“Our goal is not to dominate nature, but to understand in order to participate with creation”<BR/>This was a good thought, very much in line with N.T. Wright’s concept of the new creation applying to all creation. The goal of the Christian life is not to escape creation, but to participate in the renewal and redemption of creation.<BR/><BR/>He discussed to great books: “The book of Scripture and the book of nature.”<BR/><BR/>He quoted Basil who said, “We can read God’s beauty in nature.”<BR/><BR/>“The wisdom of nature can only be read through the wisdom of revelation.”<BR/>That is we need the Scripture, church, community, the Creeds, etc. to see the wisdom in God’s created order.<BR/><BR/>“We can only read nature (as a book) when it is filled with meaning, not just facts.”<BR/>The meaning comes from Scripture.<BR/><BR/>“Christ present in the Eucharist is the center of a theological doctrine of science.”<BR/>Interesting thought…This challenged my non-sacramental mind for a while, but there is some truth here for sure. Christ is in the bread and wine as a symbol of Christ in creation….Christ in science. He could have easily drawn this same conclusion from talking about the incarnation, but he rooted it in the Eucharist, because our experience of communion is ongoing and present (and future until Christ returns) – where the incarnation is historical.<BR/><BR/>“ ‘In the beginning’ points to an ending.” <BR/>God’s good creation is not in the “middle part” of the story. Nature as we see an observe is not an end, but a middle. A middle that is filled with corruption. An end is coming…a glorious end of new creation.Derek Vreelandhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06278564226756132082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23758043.post-22856248830875486052008-03-16T18:08:00.000-05:002008-03-16T18:08:00.000-05:00how weird is this? i just heard of Jurgen Moltmann for the first time last night. I'd love to hear what you thought. i almost ordered his autobiography, but waited.perihttp://www.perizahnd.com/noreply@blogger.com