tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23758043.post2906977075021240373..comments2008-04-13T13:55:02.695-05:00Comments on derek vreeland's blog: Mark Dever: What is a Healthy Church?Derek Vreelandhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06278564226756132082noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23758043.post-65499075978148347912008-04-13T13:55:00.000-05:002008-04-13T13:55:00.000-05:00Dever's 9 Marks and NCD are both valid, helpful, a...Dever's 9 Marks and NCD are both valid, helpful, and orthodox ways at looking at church health. I am not saying one is better than the other. The two systems just obtained their information using different criteria. <BR/><BR/>NCD's eight principles were formulated by documented field research not merely through theological/biblical research. I find these principles to be biblical and in line with sound doctrine. Healthy churches DO need: <BR/><BR/>1) Empowering Leadership<BR/>2) Gift-oriented Ministry<BR/>3) Passionate Spirituality<BR/>4) Functional Structures<BR/>5) Inspiring Worship Services<BR/>6) Holistic Small Groups<BR/>7) Need-oriented Evangelism<BR/>8) Loving RelationshipsDerek Vreelandhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06278564226756132082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23758043.post-32943716165617437242008-04-13T11:01:00.000-05:002008-04-13T11:01:00.000-05:00Hi there. I know this was posted last fall but I ...Hi there. I know this was posted last fall but I was searching the web for more information on NCD as I attended a friend's service last night by where the Pastor preached on the first three essentials (according to NCD) of church health. <BR/><BR/>I don't regularly attend that church so I spoke to the pastor after service to ask for the other 5 and didin't hear anything of sound doctrine/theology, discipleship etc and was concerned. <BR/><BR/>I appreciated reading your post in that it verified my original concern but also brought awareness of Dever's reflections. <BR/><BR/>Thank you for this post as I am very interested in tangible assessments of church health outside of numbers. <BR/><BR/>Sincerely, <BR/>Chelle' Wargo<BR/>(Blessed member of Northway Christian Community, Wexford PA.)Chelle'http://www.blogger.com/profile/15831750082703333188noreply@blogger.com